StoryMen of Steel

jrforasteros —  June 16, 2013 — 13 Comments

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Story Men - Jun 16, 2013

StoryMen of Steel

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The StoryMen talk about Man of Steel: what they loved, what they liked, and where the film failed to capture the big blue boyscout. No spoilers for the first part of the episode!

In this Episode:

The Man of Steel0:00 – StoryMen of Steel Save the Cat
7:30 – What did we like about Man of Steel?
12:00 – Does Man of Steel work as a Superhero movie?
22:30 – Spoiling Man of Steel: Minor Characters, Lois, Ma and Pa Kent
32:00 – Is Man of Steel actually a Superman film?
49:00 – Where does Superman go next?

Links in ths Episode:

Matt: Superman and the Man of Steel

Clay: The 5 Best Things About Man of Steel and 3 Ways Man of Steel Should Have Been Different

JR.: Why Man of Steel isn’t a Superman Story

Save the Cat by Blake Snyder
Monkeys with Typewriters by Scarlett Thomas

Superman Films:

Superman
Superman II
Superman III
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
Superman Returns

Man of Steel

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  • Elizabeth Douras

    *Spoilers!* I’m surprised you guys didn’t talk about what Clark did to that guy’s semi truck. That disturbed me way more than when he killed Gen Zod. At least for that you could make the argument that he did it to save lives, even if it is an extremely feeble argument. I’m not sure if we were supposed to find the scene with the semi funny or what, but I was shocked. It was an extremely violent act of retaliation. And for what? Because the guy poured beer on him? I didn’t even get the impression that he did it to protect the waitress. It seemed more like it was done out of anger than anything else. Are we supposed to be impressed because Clark didn’t hit the man? Instead, he completely destroys the man’s truck. That’s not self control; that’s a passive-aggressive child with Superman’s powers. The amount of anger that you have to have inside you to make you do that kind of damage in retaliation….that’s not the Superman I want.

    Believe it or not, I actually enjoyed the movie. But I agree with almost everything you guys said. I even could have handled (even appreciated) the character flaws that Superman had IF they wrote it that way with purpose, with the intention of redeeming him later. But they didn’t. They may have that in mind, but it didn’t come across in the writing at all, and that bothered me. He just came across as an ordinary man who happens to be Super-strong. I agree with you guys completely: this is not the Superman that I want the world to idealize.

    • Thanks for listening and commenting Elizabeth. I thought about that truck scene a good bit. Yes, I laughed out loud at it and sure it’s as passive-aggressive as you can get. I just gave it a pass I guess. It aligns much more with the early Kal/Clark they’re showing us though. As you say then, it’s the hope and inspiration that becomes the out of place part of the film once we see how the movie concludes.

    • It didn’t bother me because that section for me was kinda like Superman in puberty. He’s still his dad’s kid, not hitting back no matter how much he wants to. But he was also beginning to take risks with showing his true nature. I think it was normal to act out in a juvenile way at that time, testing the waters of striking back now that he’s out from under his dad’s eyes, but in a way that doesn’t have any immediate consequences for himself.

      I don’t think his dad did a good job of guiding Clark in how to use his powers, so he had to work through that on his own. And he’s only an alien in his dna. He was raised in the human world and they were his only example.

      I’ve got other feelings about how this movie handled the way he met his birth dad and learned about Krypton and his heritage. I think in the original movie, that slow learning process with his dad really teaching him is when Clark truly became a Super Man. This movie lacks that transitional stage, and I think that’s a big part of where this murky Superman comes from – he’s still mostly human, in my opinion.

    • I agree. I’m just sad that we need one more flawed hero. We’re all already flawed. As Mark Waid says, “We don’t need Superman to be more like us. We need to be more like Superman.”

  • I just saw it this afternoon and of course listened to the podcast as soon as I got in the car 🙂 Not that anyone else is going to read this, but spoilers ahead…

    I agree with most of what you guys said. I was very disturbed by the destruction Superman allowed in Smallville and at the end. He could have taken those battles elsewhere and I kept wondering how many more people were getting killed. But I think, again, that a lot of that can be explained because they didn’t give him time to really grow into Superman (as I commented to Elizabeth) and he’s still a pretty young character at this point. Hopefully he will grow up a bit in or before the next movie.

    The thing that bothered me most in the whole movie was the scene with his mom at the grave site. He didn’t seem bothered or questioning at all, he seemed…pleased with himself is the only phrase I can think of. Mom says ‘We always knew you’d do something great’ and he’s all, ‘Yeah, I know, too bad dad couldn’t see how great I turned out.’ That tacked on scene spoke to the story they promised with the countless “you will do great things” statements you guys mentioned – but that’s a story they didn’t fulfill. And also I wanted to smack his face. The real Superman is humble, fella. He’s a little cocky and super confident, but he still manages to be humble. I don’t know how he does it, except that he’s Superman and all.

    I have mixed feelings about the end with Zod. I keep asking myself, “Do I want a perfect Superman, or do I want a Superman who’s a little more real?” The fan me wants him perfect, but the writer and story lover in me wants to see those hard decisions being made.

    Zod can not be contained on earth; he has all the same powers as Superman. So as I see it, the two options for the writers are to send Zod up in the black hole or force Superman to deal with him.

    They didn’t black hole him, so I don’t think there was any other real choice for Superman but to kill him. Sure, Superman could have turned around or covered Zod’s eyes or whatever, but then what? No jail would hold him and Zod would not quit ever. He said as much himself – “There’s only one way this ends, Kal; either you die or I do.”

    And wouldn’t have sending Zod into the black hole been a kind of cop-out? We’d get our squeaky-clean Superman, but it’s pretty easy not to have to kill anyone when the story is conveniently written that way. So I wonder, is Superman really perfect, or are his stories just written in a way that he doesn’t have to get blood on his hands?

    I didn’t get the story I thought I wanted, which was untarnished, pure superhero Superman. But I can appreciate that it’s perhaps more real and more honest to force him to make that decision.

    And who is the “real” Superman anyway? I say something Superman does in this movie is out of character, when really this is not the Superman from the comics or the old films. This is a newly written Superman. Nothing is out of character for him – it’s the first film.

    • That’s a pretty fair response Michelle. Regardless of what part of the film is being criticized, I continue to be most intrigued by how much this film gets all of us talking and thinking so much.

      • Yeah, I was going to ask if you wanted to talk it over on my podcast, but I thought it might be overkill at this point. Also, after sleeping on it, I have some different feelings surfacing.

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  • Mike Poteet

    Your plan for redeeming this movie in the next one is brilliant. I hope the (to my mind) distraction of Batman’s inclusion will not derail any dealing with the consequences of Superman’s actions in this one. I do take some solace in the fact that this is a “making of Superman” story, and he is not fully formed yet. At any rate – from your mouth to Hollywood’s ears! Enjoyed your discussion.

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