The Skeletons in God’s Closet with Josh Butler

jrforasteros —  October 14, 2014 — 17 Comments

Story Men - October 14, 2014

The Skeletons in God's Closet with Josh Butler

The Skeletons in God\'s Closet with Josh Butler

The StoryMen sit down with friend and pastor Josh Butler to examine the Skeletons in God's Closet. In his new book, Josh investigates those doctrines Christians find embarassing, shameful or just plain scary. He's convinced that the doctrines of Hell, Judgment and Holy War are actually good news, that they affirm God's love for us. We dive deep into his take on Hell, and giveaway a free copy of the book!

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Is that Hell in there next to the Trinity and Prevenient Grace?!

Is that Hell in there next to the Trinity and Prevenient Grace?!

The StoryMen sit down with friend and pastor Josh Butler to examine the Skeletons in God’s Closet. In his new book, Josh investigates those doctrines Christians find embarassing, shameful or just plain scary. He’s convinced that the doctrines of Hell, Judgment and Holy War are actually good news, that they affirm God’s love for us. We dive deep into his take on Hell, and giveaway a free copy of the book!

IN THIS EPISODE:

2:00 – Josh Butler: Q Friend, Geek

7:00 – The Skeletons in God’s Closet

14:30 – The Mercy of Hell

42:00 – The Surprise of Judgment

50:00 – More Skeletons?

53:00 – Connect with Josh and GIVEAWAY!

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EPISODE LINKS:

Click here to see the book on Amazon!

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Check out The Skeletons in God’s Closet

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Get the Sample Chapter FREE!

Connect with Josh Butler

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What skeletons in God’s closet are you most afraid of?

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  • Adam peck

    I’m not sure how to enter the contest for the book but I had a thought and if this isn’t the way to do it then I will by the book anyway. Josh hit on almost all of the big ones in my life and really helped my thoughts start rolling on a lot of these topics however he said somthing towards the end of the show that set me back a little. He talked about Jesus telling sheep they were sheep and goats they were goats. This scares me a lot. How does one know if they are a sheep or a goat and if someone is a goat can they ever be a sheep. Thinking about all the people who have never heard the gospel or even some of those who have but maybe they heard it from one of the people who believe so strongly in the idols that form from those skeletons, I wonder how a goat finds the true God before he becomes mutton. This is the what scares me. If God knows all and jesus names those that are followers, or if we are born that goat and have a hard time submitting then there is still a flaw, in my eyes, in the loving nature of God and Christi messeage because it still in some way means that there are a chosen few who will walk out of the gates of hell and how do I know if that is me and does it make it kind of futile to share with others if I am or to even try if I am not one of those chosen?

    • Hey Adam!

      If you look above in the post, you can enter to win in several different ways, including the answer you just posted! I know you’ll love Josh’s book!

    • Joshua Ryan Butler

      Thanks Adam! Sorry I’m late to the party here, and so glad you found the podcast helpful. Those are great questions re: the sheep & goats (sorry if the quickness of my comment was more confusing than helpful). If you get the book, I think you’ll enjoy Chapter 10 (“The Servant at the Center”) which is entirely devoted to the “Sheep and Goats” passage and I think unpacks it from a really hopeful perspective that (I hope) would be really helpful on the topics you mentioned. If you do get a chance to check it out, would love to hear your feedback! My e-mail is josh@imagodeicommunity.com if you wanted to hit me up there with thoughts after checking it out.

  • John Otte

    For me, it’s always been the concept of holy war as described in the OT. My mind just locks at the thought of the same God who desires the salvation of all people ordering the wholesale slaughter of entire peoples. I mean, I think I get the theology behind that, but it still doesn’t make it any easier.

    • Joshua Ryan Butler

      Thanks John! Sorry I’m late to the party here, and thanks so much for the interaction. I really struggled with the OT violence passages too when I started following Jesus (I talk about this struggle in the Introduction to the book, which can be downloaded for free as a sample chapter at my website). The third section of the book (“The Hope of Holy War”) is devoted to this topic. If you liked the podcast and are interested in checking it out, I hope you find it helpful!

  • Graham Ware

    Just posting because I want to win the book.

    • I appreciate your honesty, Graham!

    • Joshua Ryan Butler

      Thanks Graham–good luck! 🙂

  • graceisunfair

    I agree with John. God commanding violence–violence that any Christian today would find abhorrent if it were done by any individual, group, or government today–really stands in stark contrast to the God revealed in Christ, who the Bible says is the image of the invisible God and the exact representation of His being. I’m not sure how those two things can coexist, and I don’t want to simply say that the authors of the OT misunderstood God as a workaround.

    • Mikey Fissel

      Yeah, though i have some ideas on why this doesn’t bother me as much as it used to, it certainly, from the surface, is what was most puzzling (see also. frightening) in the Bible…

      • graceisunfair

        What are those ideas? I’d love to hear them.

        What would be the biggest skeleton in God’s closet for you?

        • Mikey Fissel

          oh, please don’t mishear me– though i have had countless discussions with people who are way smarter than me, it still is a pretty big skeleton in God’s closet for me. it is one of the most discussed topics i have with my non-believing friends as well, and i think understandably so.

          i wish i could throw out all those ideas eloquently, but i know i am not fit to expound. i will try to sum them up by noting that the more i see and read the Bible as one long redemptive story (through the lens of the Gospel of Christ) instead of only as individual verses, chapters, stories, books, or testaments, the more i see the same God working through history instead of two different “gods” with two different agendas.

          • Joshua Ryan Butler

            Hey everyone! Sorry I’m late to the party here, and thanks so much for the interaction. I really struggled with the OT violence passages too when I started following Jesus (I talk about this struggle in the Introduction to the book, which can be downloaded for free as a sample chapter at my website). The third section of the book (“The Hope of Holy War”) is devoted to this topic. If you liked the podcast and are interested in checking it out, I hope you find it helpful!

  • Noel Young

    God commanding violence is probably the most obvious skeleton. Like when He tells Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, even though the rest of the Bible tells us how abhorrent He finds human sacrifice. God doesn’t let him go through with it, and there are lots of parallels between this and the sacrifice of Jesus. But still, the fact that He asks Abraham to do this is a bit unsettling.

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